RE: [MLUG - DISCUSSION] programmers that don't know tarballs?

["Ross, Matt" <EMAIL:PROTECTED>]

>From an HTML coders perspective, you're a pain in the ass yourself :-P

> > IMO most websites are poorly designed and writen anyway so 
> I don't notice
> > to much if they suck a little bit more than usual.
> I have yet to see a website that's well designed and written. 
>  Maybe some of 
> the pages which don't use graphics at all.  Many sites look 
> like the person 
> who wrote them was colorblind or something.  Bright red text 
> on a fluorescent 
> green background is not uncommon.  Or, dark text on a black 
> background.  Very 
> annoying.

Welcome to the world of web standards. YES they're written for the
colorblind, we're required (especially those like me in state government) to
write pages that are readable by all possible people.  Someday soon we'll be
required to write HTML that is readable without a computer to take care of
the poor people without PC's.  As for bad color choices, that's what you get
when half the web -doesn't- have to conform to standards.

> > I've been pushing for inclusion of client-side scripting to 
> filter all
> > incoming pages before displaying them but so far nobody 
> else has added
> > it. If I ever get a fast enough computer to compile Mozilla 
> myself then
> > maybe I will as I have some groovy ideas. Usually people 
> tell me that if
> > you let users filter out banners to well the web will 
> colapse.. can tell
> > most of them run websites.. web whores. :)
> Yes, that's what I've been hearing.  Mostly, those people 
> have web sites 
> themselves.  However, my opinion is that a good website can 
> live without 
> banners.  If it's truly good, someone will surely step out 
> and help pay for 
> it, and it will live on donations.  Most websites that can't 
> survive without 
> banners are crap websites.
> Now, if this stuff gets integrated into the browser and 
> enabled by default, 
> it might cause some sites to ban the browser, which is not 
> good either.  Of 
> course, you could always disguise it as something else.
> Finally, you don't need to recompile mozilla.  Go to 
> mozdev.org and read 
> about it.  You can actually make plug-ins that do stuff, 
> separate from the 
> browser but integrated into it.  I think someone already made 
> one that's 
> based on image size, but that's not a good way to do it.  
> Besides, you could 
> just take something like JunkBuster (free under GPL) and port 
> it to mozilla.  
> Shouldn't be terribly hard if you know C.  And by the way, 
> you are welcome to 
> use my computer if you need to compile it.  I REALLY want 
> something like 
> this.  I know, there are proxies that do it, but proxies always mean 
> increased annoyances and problems.  For one, they are a 
> security problem, and 
> they often die.  I'd rather have it built into the browser.

1) A lack of ads won't bring down the web, however, it will bring down the
free web.  Without ads, we'll be limited to official sites which can afford
to stay up because they sell something.
2) Sites that need banners aren't always poor quality, I've seen one that
was probably the best anime site out there, but people who are interested
expect it free, so they won't help pay for it.  On top of that, without
banners saying "we need money", how would they get those donations?
3) The web is moving away from banners.  Banner sites are paying less, and
offering less services for the pages that display their banners.  The site I
just mentioned was shut down because its banners no longer paid enough for
the $600 a month hosting fee.  In a last ditch effort to help out, they
tried a clicking spree, clicking all sites that came up in the banner.  This
caused the banner company to drop them, so the full cost of the $600 was
left to the site owner.  He put up a "Paypal" banner for donations to the
site, and while he got over 100 donors, none of them had enough money to
support the site.  

> > Mine is a wheelmouse but I've never bothered to activate 
> the wheel as
> > anything but a third button. I like the way the middle 
> button/wheel is
> > raised though. IMO is more comfortable to use.
> Why don't you activate it?  You need to add maybe one or two 
> lines to the 
> XF86Config file and restart X.  I find the wheel incredibly 
> convenient, and 
> it's supported in most newer apps.
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