RE: [MLUG - DISCUSSION] net-enabled microcontrollers for applianc es, VCRs, stereos

["Ross, Matt" <EMAIL:PROTECTED>]

Then what they really need, and actually, already have, is keyboard and
mouse for VCR (or DVDR)

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Spurling, Shannon [mailto:EMAIL:PROTECTED]
> Sent: Monday, December 03, 2001 9:21 AM
> To: EMAIL:PROTECTED
> Subject: RE: [MLUG - DISCUSSION] net-enabled microcontrollers for
> applianc es, VCRs, stereos
> 
> 
> No, a wired VCR is a TIVO. Main problems with a VCR, other than not
> being web enabled?
> It's not a random access device! TIVO is supposed to fix both of those
> problems. The main purpose for web enabling a VCR it to allow 
> for easier
> programming and titling of your recordings. A wired cable box or DSS
> receiver would provide one click shopping on the home shopping
> network... If they bought a licensee from Amazon. :-)
> 
> Shannon Spurling
> WAN Engineer -Specialist
> 
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Ross, Matt [mailto:EMAIL:PROTECTED]
> Sent: Monday, December 03, 2001 8:52 AM
> To: EMAIL:PROTECTED
> Subject: RE: [MLUG - DISCUSSION] net-enabled microcontrollers for
> applianc es, VCRs, stereos
> 
> 
> What would a wired VCR do?  Let you click on things on the 
> Home Shopping
> Network and order them online?
> I think 'server' is the wrong term, there are chips which do 
> cost almost
> nothing which can be used to ID things.  The simplest I've 
> seen are the
> equivalent of a magnetic bar code, though I'm not sure how much they
> cost.
> 
> I couldn't find a site with one on it, but I did find this:
> http://www.idchip.com/
> If the government can afford one for each of us, I'm sure they don't
> cost
> that much for someone who doesn't pay black ops prices ;-)
> 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Igor Izyumin Jr. [mailto:EMAIL:PROTECTED]
> > Sent: Sunday, December 02, 2001 8:29 AM
> > To: EMAIL:PROTECTED
> > Subject: Re: [MLUG - DISCUSSION] net-enabled microcontrollers for
> > appliances, VCRs, stereos
> > 
> > 
> > > Nope wrong again. They have highly simplified one chip lil 
> > web servers
> > > that cost just about $1. No flashrom, memory, etc needed.. 
> > except for some
> > > sort of network interface. I've seen one chip network cards 
> > for only a
> > > couple dollars.. WiFi probably costs a lil more still but 
> > use will drop
> > > the cost.
> > And where are they?  Who manufactures them?  I haven't seen 
> > any, personally.  
> > Show me a link to a datasheet, and maybe I'll believe you.  
> > And by the way, a 
> > network card is far less complex than an embedded web server 
> > thing.  A NIC 
> > hooks right into the PCI bus, which already does most of the 
> > work for it.  A 
> > VCR neither has a PCI bus nor a CPU which can control the 
> > NIC.  You would 
> > have to put in an extra microcontroller, program it
> > 
> > > I've seen cheaper. Still not cheap enough to be in a milk 
> carton but
> > > eventually I'm sure they will be. Probably a printed 
> > circuit in the lid or
> > > label. Like the little printed circuits they use for 
> security or the
> > > printed cell phones or something.
> > Where have you seen those chips?  I really want to order a 
> > few if they are 
> > that cheap.
> > 
> > > You obviously don't follow things very close. All these parts are
> > > mainstream now. Not even the hackers domain anymore. 
> > Then why aren't there VCRs with network interfaces? The 
> > closest I've seen is 
> > a cable modem with a webserver.  But those things cost about 
> > two times as 
> > much as a VCR, for "cheap" electronics.
> > 
> > > I'd certainly pay $5
> > > extra for a VCR that was wired so that my cell phone, 
> > computer, or PDA
> > > could act as a universal remote via a handy network interface.
> > I haven't seen a wired VCR yet - probably due to two reasons:
> > 1. The technology is not mainstream yet
> > 2. It's not cost-effective.
> > 3. Nobody wants them
> > I can't say that reason #3 is valid, since there would be at 
> > least one model 
> > of a VCR that had it built in.  There isn't a single thing 
> > that does it and 
> > is mainstream.
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