RE: [MLUG - DISCUSSION] Microsoft: Evil Empire or Suitable Softw are?

[Phoebe Kempe <EMAIL:PROTECTED>]

That has to do with css support (major differences in
Netscape and IE and Opera, etc...) and differences in
the document object model in Netscape and IE (this is
pretty easy to overcome with tests from document.all,
etc...). Also, if you're doing animation in DHTML,
there are differences in in getting the object's
current position: i.e. in I.E. you have to take the
parseInt of the object's top or left position and in
Netscape just top or left. Then, in your move routine,
you have to specifiy the unit of measurement in I.E.
(i.e. px) but don't for Netscape. Hence, there is a
lot of testing for document.all in order to provide
for both cases. 

I did this pretty cool dhtml interface for a aquarium
site (fish swims from bottom right to bottom left,
stops on the left hand margin, blows bubbles (first
slides off screen second and subsequent bubble are
main navigation features)--mousing over main nav
option causes sub nav options to slide right from
underneath main nav option, etc ... 

The only thing I couldn't get to work right in both
Netscape and I.E. was stopping and starting embedded
sound clips. Originally, when the fish starts
swimming, a jaws-like underwater wav file plays, when
the fish stops on the left margin and begins blowing
bubbles, a "blop, blop" -- bubble sound -- wav file is
started (and subsequently stopped) when the main nav
bubbles are in position. This only works in Netscape
(which kind of bumbs me out). So, if anyone on the
list has been able to control embedded sound clips
successfully for both Netscape and I.E., I'd
appreciate the tip!

Whew! That was off topic. :-)
 
--Phoebe

--- Rick Buford <EMAIL:PROTECTED> wrote:
> haven't MS and Netscape both diverged a bit from the
> W3C standard? I
> remember trying to do some cross-browser DHTML about
> a year ago and never
> getting it to look the same in both browsers. Even
> the sites that I found
> touting "DHTML howto" didn't come out right in both
> browsers...
> 
> Rick 
> Ok I'll admit it, I set you up the bomb
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: EMAIL:PROTECTED
> [mailto:EMAIL:PROTECTED]On Behalf
> Of Spurling,
> Shannon 
> Sent: Wednesday, August 01, 2001 10:02 PM
> To: EMAIL:PROTECTED '
> Subject: RE: [MLUG - DISCUSSION] Microsoft: Evil
> Empire or Suitable
> Softw are?
> 
> 
> From what I understand, HTML was supposed to be like
> Tex. 
> It's not supposed to be browser dependant. It's all
> the extensions that they
> added to it that makes it change format dependant on
> browser, if I remember
> correctly. 
> 
> Shannon
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Sam Napier
> To: EMAIL:PROTECTED
> Sent: 8/1/01 9:56 PM
> Subject: RE: [MLUG - DISCUSSION] Microsoft:  Evil
> Empire or Suitable Softw
> are?
> 
> When the W3C set the standards for HTML I wonder if
> they figured on
> having to set a standard for 5 different browsers. I
> have often just
> said F*ck it I will do it with JAVA, at least most
> browsers display an
> applet the way the programmer/Developer intended. I
> mean how many ways
> can you display TEXT other than the way it is
> written?
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: EMAIL:PROTECTED
> [mailto:EMAIL:PROTECTED] On
> Behalf Of Phoebe Kempe
> Sent: Wednesday, August 01, 2001 5:43 PM
> To: EMAIL:PROTECTED
> Subject: RE: [MLUG - DISCUSSION] Microsoft: Evil
> Empire or Suitable
> Softw are?
> 
> 
> --- "Ross, Matt" <EMAIL:PROTECTED> wrote:
> > Microsoft assumptions are correct for 50% of the
> > population.  The lower half
> > of the intelegence scale, granted, but still,
> that's
> > not bad for an
> > assumption with no real data.
> > 
> 
> Yeah. However, it is truly unacceptable for someone
> to
> design for one browser or another. It's the hallmark
> of an amateur or at least a bad designer. I cannot
> stand going to sites that say "best viewed with x
> browser". True, designers have numerous obstacles to
> overcome. However, it isn't all that difficult to
> test
> one's work on multiple O/Ss with multiple browsers.
> 
> Just my $.02.
> 
> --Phoebe
> 
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