RE: [MLUG - DISCUSSION] Microsoft: Evil Empire or Suitable Software?

["Ross, Matt" <EMAIL:PROTECTED>]

IE4 was the viral one.  5.5 is tolerable.
Opera is by far the best browser.  Unless you want to use MS Jscript ;-)
The pages that don't work on it are all using various extensions of
non-standard Javascript (not to be confused with the Standardized ECMAscript
that Opera now includes).  IE 5.5 does have the advantage of being able to
handle just about anything.  Including giving you viruses, thousands of
popups, and large headaches.  I don't care much for Konquerer, mainly
because it has no more features than Opera, and runs slower.  I use IE when
I'm designing a site to be pretty, I use Opera when I'm designing it to be
good.

-----Original Message-----
From: Jennifer Dozar [mailto:EMAIL:PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, August 01, 2001 12:29 AM
To: EMAIL:PROTECTED
Subject: Re: [MLUG - DISCUSSION] Microsoft: Evil Empire or Suitable
Software?


Mozzilla is BIG and Laggy :P at least in my expierence with it. I stick to
N etscape for more things.  Bojan (a co-worker) has this strange obession
with Opera, yet complains when sites won't work on it ;) haha. 
IE is a HORRIBLY browser. it is a virus that takes over your whole
computer. 

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(I liked that one, Jon :) So I'm using it!)

On Tue, 31 Jul 2001, Michael wrote:

> IE is a horrible browser from both a programmer and a users end point. I
> know all the little tricks for it and still hate it. The only problem is
> that Netscape is at least as bad. Mozilla is much better than either. I'm
> not a big Konquerer fan either but it is probably at least as good as IE
> for the most part. W/ IE not including Java support in future versions it
> could be interesting to see how things turn out. :)
> 
> *^*^*^*
> Michael McGlothlin <EMAIL:PROTECTED>
> http://www.kavlon.com
> 
> On Tue, 31 Jul 2001, Ian Monroe wrote:
> 
> > Windows 98 any edition always comes up with BSODs and is not a secure
> > operating system. Any sotfware can access pratically any part of the
> > memory, what is up with that? And there are the GDI resources that limit
> > the how one can multiask because it uses "magic numbers" instead of real
> > pointers, which is legacy from 3.1 version of Windows in the 4 mb's of
ram
> > days. Windows 2000 I've never used, but it still has some of the
mentioned
> > legacy though not as bad as 98 (I've read).
> > 
> > I agree IE is one of the best browsers (Konqueror coming in a close
> > second), but you have to wonder if that isn't because it is the most
> > popular browser. Perhaps any browser that is the popular browser (and
not
> > really unstable like all browers were a few years ago) will be the best
> > because then web pages will write to it.
> > 
> > And wasn't Outlook responible for the Melissa virsus? The Melissa virsus
> > was the best example of why having so many people using the same
software
> > is a Bad Thing.
> > 
> > I've never actually used Messenger but I don't like it because it is
> > on the default install (I think) meaning it will pop on the school
> > computers which are installed by people to lazy to uncheck those things.
> > 
> > And IIS should be added to the Prosecution. Isn't it supposed to be
doing
> > its worm-induced massive DDOS actacks as I write this? 
> > 
> > Ian
> > 
> > 
> > On Tue, 31 Jul 2001, McNutt, Justin M. wrote:
> > 
> > > Prosecution's Evidence:
> > >  
> > > Internet Explorer v4.0
> > > Windows 3.1
> > > Windows 95
> > > MS Office (any version)
> > > Windows XP
> > > "Subscription" licenses
> > > WINS
> > > Active Directory
> > > Hotmail
> > >  
> > > Defense's Evidence:
> > >  
> > > Internet Explorer v5.5
> > > Outlook (well, at least OL98)
> > > Windows 98 (NOT SE)
> > > Windows 2000
> > > Active Directory
> > > MS SQL server
> > > Flight Simulator
> > > Solitaire
> > > Minesweeper
> > > Freecell
> > > 3D Cadet Pinball
> > > MSN Messenger
> > >  
> > > Just sticking to software, and not necessarily business practices (I
> > > consider "subscription licenses" to walk the line, since it's part of
the
> > > software).  Their business practices are heinous, but what about the
actual
> > > products?  Hmmm...
> > > 
> > > Later... 
> > 
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