RE: [MLUG - DISCUSSION] network scanning?

["Spurling, Shannon " <EMAIL:PROTECTED>]

I think this whole thing is about where to draw that thin line between
illegal and legal. The lazy people who don't want to take accountability for
them selves want it drawn where they don't have to worry about securing
their machines. The people who want to be able to get some work done without
having to worry about breaking a law every time they sneeze want it drawn on
the other side where they don't have to worry about a stray ping hitting
someone's windows box running zone alarm and getting thrown in jail or sued.
Lets face it, there is no real reason to freak out about a port scan unless
you have something to hide, like your running windows. But that doesn't stop
people. My favorite is when they use some new p2p file sharing program that
uses windows networking. Then zone alarm starts reporting something trying
to access their WINS ports. All you can do is shake your head and tell them
that they set them selves up to be an access port, and it's accesses that
they asked for. 



Shannon Spurling
WAN Engineer -Specialist

MOREnet, Network Services, Core Network
3212 Le Mone Industrial Blvd.
Columbia, MO 65201

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-----Original Message-----
From: Michael [mailto:EMAIL:PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, April 03, 2001 9:10 AM
To: EMAIL:PROTECTED
Subject: RE: [MLUG - DISCUSSION] network scanning?


Any insane security officer should have made sure their systems were
secure to begin with. *shrugs* Not accussing you of being a maddog
(pronounce it backwards) legal crazed freak.. just think companies that
resort to such things have to expect to be punished. There is a strong
history of the cracker community retaliating for such things and I'd feel
the need to spark that shit off if someone used legal tactics against me.

On the other hand if they cracked my machine in retaliation for me
cracking theirs I'd be impressed and probably leave them alone. Or if they
backtraced it and offered a job that'd be pretty cool to though I think
that happens less these days as the Net is more corporate.

I scan my home machine from MLUG several times a day. Is that breaking
University policy?

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Michael McGlothlin <EMAIL:PROTECTED>
http://www.kavlon.com

On Tue, 3 Apr 2001, McNutt, Justin M. wrote:

> True.  Remember that the original discussion was only about the legal
status
> and consequences of a scan.  I DO NOT IN ANY WAY suggest that anyone go
out
> and use lawyers to get rid of port scanners unless you have something
> besides the scan to get them.  It's not worth the effort.  Just remember
> that insane security officers at corporations with lots of money have some
> pretty nasty tools to use if YOU scan THEM.
> 
> And yes, you should scan yourself from time to time to make sure that a
scan
> won't blow your machine off of the network.

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