RE: [MLUG - DISCUSSION] network scanning?

[Michael <EMAIL:PROTECTED>]

*shrugs* I have no moral issues with breaking laws. I only avoid doing so
because it simplifies things. If things must be complex anyway then may as
well rip off a few mil and find a nice safe haven to spend it. If you must
suffer the hassle you may as well get paid for it.

Unless the machine is running life support systems or important controls
(such as traffic lights) I doubt scanning a system will ever risk as much
harm as speeding risks. Anyone that hooks vital systems like those up to
the net without proper security is a total fool anyway. Maybe I'll try
running a car into a gas tanker next to a busload of nuns and see what
happens. Bad jokes and puns seem endless. :)

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Michael McGlothlin <EMAIL:PROTECTED>
http://www.kavlon.com

On Tue, 3 Apr 2001, McNutt, Justin M. wrote:

> In for a penny, in for a pound?
> 
> Remember that someone scanning YOU (which was the original scenario) doesn't
> incriminate you in the least.  If you return the scan, you are then breaking
> the law.
> 
> And continuing to break the law will only make the prosecutions life easier
> and lengthen your sentence (yes, people are facing jail time for net
> scanning).
> 
> All of these arguments were had a while back and are fallacious (mostly).  I
> agree that weak machines that die from scans should be taken off of the
> network until they can be fixed, but that isn't always feasible (suppose the
> 'machine' in question is a router!).
> 
> Don't assume that crashing a machine is less dangerous than speeding.  That
> evaluation requires two specific cases and has to be evaluated each time.
> Depending upon the nature of the machine that crashes and the nature of the
> car accident, many more people can be hurt by a crashed machine.
> 
> Unless, of course, you're doing 120 and you smash into a diesel tanker next
> to a HAZMAT-processing facility...  :-)  I'd say that pretty much wins all
> the time...

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